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Italian East Africa, Somalia Ascari ranks 1930s

Post  wfrad on Sat 31 May 2008, 9:53 am

Hereís a rank chart for native Ascari police and troops for the period of Italian sponsorship 1930ís.
The Colours are not quite right, all cap badges Iíve attempted were brass..
Police had blue backing to their rank badges, troops had black.
Sharpshooter Duke of Abruzzi had the addition of a gold crown over the gold embroidered rifle.
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Ascari Marina 1928

Post  wfrad on Sun 12 Jul 2009, 5:36 am

Navy Ascari service dress 1928.
The black ribbon on the tarbusc has yellow lettering, the lettering shown [MARINA] here is not an actual title that I know of.
Dark red tarbust with mid blue tassel,
White jumper with mid blue cuffs,
White shirt,
The navy mid blue collar is without stars on the flap at the back.
Black scarf with white lanyard,
Mid blue waist sash,
White breeches,
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Post  Sean on Mon 13 Jul 2009, 3:37 am

Excellent piece of artwork thanks
You're a great contirbuter

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Re: Italian East Africa, Somalia Ascari ranks 1930s

Post  zaptie on Sun 15 Aug 2010, 9:05 am

not "Marina" but "Regia Marina"

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Post  ChrisF202 on Sun 15 Aug 2010, 1:20 pm

What about officer ranks? Am I correct in assuming that the officers were on special assignment from the regular Italian Army and as such wore the standard Italian Army officer rank insignia?

I once came across information regarding the Italian Africa Police rank insignia but I can't seem to find the chart I had made Evil or Very Mad

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Italian ranks WWII

Post  wfrad on Sun 15 Aug 2010, 8:13 pm

Chris,
The book deals with various native troops including zaptiť [native Carabinieri), Dubat (irregular troops), Gogle (rural & canal Guards) & Marina (Navy), for some reason not Regio but just Marina Italiana which Zaptie would be in a better position to explain than myself, maybe because of the nature of the force it wasn't thought to qualify as a 'Regia Marina' or just an oversight by the author.
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Re: Italian East Africa, Somalia Ascari ranks 1930s

Post  zaptie on Tue 17 Aug 2010, 10:05 am

No, for the native sailors in Somalia ( and also in Eritrea) the correct writing is REGIA MARINA with a five pointed star at the begin et at the end of writing .For the few native sailors on the ships , they change it with the name of the ship . In the drawing of the book maybe you can see only the secon world .
Ps : sorry for my bad english

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Post  zaptie on Tue 17 Aug 2010, 10:37 am

The ranks of italian officiers in Africa are on cloth shoulders straps .
Army: Black with piping of the color of corps , for colonial troops the color of the "fascia " of the native , with in centre the badge of the corp .The ranks was 1, 2,3 five pointed stars in gold for sottotenente, tenente an capitano, Mayor have a gold strip all around the color piping and a star , 2 stars for Lt colonel and 3 for colonel ,Generals have silver sholders straps with in centre the eagle of Savoy and 1, 2, 3, 4 stars in gold.
Navy black with the piping of the color of service and in centre a royal crown ,same system of ranks ( stars etc) but Admirals have gold shulders straps with crown and anchor .
Aviation :gray.blue with pipind of color of service and crown in centre same systems of ranks.Generals in gold .
Carabinieri( military pollice) in red with light blue piping badge in centre same system of ranks
PAI in light blue , badge in centre same system of ranks.
Seniors ncos :same shoulders straps but with no badge in centre ans 1,2,3 strips in gold ,
Sergents :shoulders straps with no badge , ranks : strips on each arms
caporals: stips on eache arms


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R Marina

Post  wfrad on Wed 18 Aug 2010, 5:49 am

Firstly believe me when I say donít worry about your English, my Italian is zero.
I do not doubt that you are correct Zaptie, all I can find hidden in the text is a mention of R Marina, which I missed due to my ignorance of Italian.
No pictures of the navy just line drawings and the quality of the pictures in the book is quite poor.
The book (paperback pamphlet really) is LE UNIFORMI DELL ĎA.O.I. (SOMALIA 1889-1941) Piero Crociani & Andrea Viotti.
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