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Egyptian Cavalry 1910

Post  buistR on Sat 08 Nov 2008, 6:54 pm

One of the most colourful of Sean's latest batch of interesting uniforms added to this forum, is the full dress of the Egyptian cavalry c1910. While the Egyptian army is usually portrayed in the kahki drill worn during the reconquest of the Sudan, they did have a range of dress uniforms which distinctively combined Turkish and British features. The War Office's "Military Report on Egypt" describes the winter full dress of the cavalry as:

"Head-dress - a crimson tarboosh with black tassel. Tunic of light blue cloth - Lancer pattern with white plastron, facings and piping. Buttons - brass half ball. Pants of light blue cloth with two white stripes each 3/4-inch wide. Ankle boots and jack spurs. Putties, blue serge. Officers wear jack boots."

.... which of course matchs Sean's figure. The summer dress was the same as for winter except that a white drill tunic is worn instead of the blue cloth one. Infantry wore a smart dark blue uniform with white facings while artillery had red facings.

The Egyptian cavalry were to be seen providing ceremonial escorts for the Khedive in late 1914 still wearing this handsome uniform, though once Egypt entered (or was forced into) World War I the entire army went into khaki drill for all occasions.

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Post  wfrad on Sun 09 Nov 2008, 9:24 am

buistR
Just in case you havn't seen them, here's the NYPL's collection on Egyption Uniforms.
The link is page one of four,
Not a complete collection but it gives a good cross section from Ottomen through Napoleaon too British.
If you haven't seen them then enjoy.
WF

http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/dgkeysearchresult.cfm?num=0&word=egypt%20uniforms&s=1&notword=&d=&c=&f=&k=0&lWord=&lField=&sScope=&sLevel=&sLabel=&imgs=20&pNum=

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Re: Egyptian Cavalry 1910

Post  buistR on Sun 09 Nov 2008, 1:58 pm

Many thanks WF! I thought that I had browsed most of the NYPL's extraordinary collection but new gems like this keep coming up. Dr Vinkhuijen and his busy pair of scissors must have vandalised many an illustrated book in his time but posteriority has benefited.
Thanks again.

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Post  wfrad on Tue 11 Nov 2008, 11:04 am

You're welcome, sorry for the delay, still trying to fix Mr Gates's half cooked windows system.
Dr Vinkhuijen must have been a master con-man come thief[don't know what else to call a man who gains access to books to destroy/vandalise them]. He seem's to have just cut and thust at will, taking what caught his eye.
I wonder if posteriority has benefited, what if the owners of the books throw them away after finding the carnage he left.
Then if so, a great deal was lost too posteriority.
If we think about the period in which he conducted he one man desication, books of this type were few, so any owner binning a book due to this vandal left use with one less for posterioity, while leaving the clippings of Vinkhijen [most in a very poor condition].
As for the NYPL, in my opinion [for what it's worth] they get 10/10, I only wish the British Library would provide such a public service.
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Post  Sean on Tue 11 Nov 2008, 7:22 pm

The greatest boon to my research in the last few years has been internet.
The amount of pictorial information on archive sites, on auction sites and posted by interested people is amazing.
And the internet lets me put my pretty average drawings up so others can benefit from my luck at finding information.
Long live the internet!!!!
As to the British Library. It has one of the best collections of material I have ever seen. But it in now way caters for people wishing to actually see the books. I have been to the library on numerous occasions but am still amazed that they can be so unhelpful.
Maybe they don't like Australians.
One visit to the Library of Congress was worth ten to the BL. Unfortunately I can't get back to Washington

Below is a link to some uniform detail on the Egyptian Army in 1912
http://uotw.heavenforum.org/regulations-instructions-orders-for-dress-clothing-f16/egyptian-army-1912-t110.htm

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Maybe they don't like Australians

Post  wfrad on Wed 12 Nov 2008, 9:57 am

Sean,
The average British librarian would strip search their own mother for coughing in a libray.
We, the British are the most watched [CTV] and red taped prob in the world.
It's a major battle just to find family. The hundred year census rule is a typical example. Ment to keep families of abanded children secret, not really an issue in the modern world, is it.
I was informed [by an librarian and a senior one at that] about ten years ago all puplic records would be made available on the web.
Next it was 'do you know how hard it is to do that', well yes, get a scanner.
Then suprise, over the top charges were intorduced, to help fund it they say.
Ten years on it's still a hit and miss mess with unhelpful web pages.
Just be happy your'e Australian mate!
One thing that we do have going for us though, far less beasties out to bite, kick, sting and eat us!!! Politicians not included.
I've looked for dress regs but stuck out, sorry.
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Re: Egyptian Cavalry 1910

Post  buistR on Sat 15 Nov 2008, 2:12 pm

Yes, nothing pushes my blood pressure up further than coming across library books which have had plates or pages torn out - inexcusable in an age of colour photocopiers and bad manners even before that Smile. However I suppose one must ask how many of the books that Dr Vinkhijen vandalised would have survived in any case for over a hundred years even, if left in pristine condition. His motives may have been selfish but thanks to the Internet and the NYPL there has been some long term benefit.

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Post  wfrad on Sat 15 Nov 2008, 10:42 pm

I agree with you, the internet and NYPL have and are doing a great deal to help preserve literature, unlike the British Library who seems to take pleasure in making it difficult.
Yes, maybe most of the books would not have survived the blitzing of Europe during and after WWII.
Like you, I just canít stand selfish individuals who destroy books.
My problem with the British Library [like the Government], failed promises to open up to the internet and their unwillingness to allow access to areas deemed fit only for academics [pompous attitude].
I wonder what they would do if some rich Arab offered to fund opening the archives to the net.
Give the job to some poor little librarian with a single scanner and twenty years later Ė hay presto! A SINGLE WEB PAGE.
Like most organisations under the influence of government, the staff tire of hitting the proverbial brick wall and apathy sets. Good people working for poor and short sited management that will only do anything that brings in a large profit margin.
Am I being a little cynical?
Sorry, Iíve gone on a bit.
WF

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