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Epaulette strap design 1820-1855

Post  sbintayab on Sat 30 Nov 2013, 8:19 pm

Hello,
On several dress regulations (1822,1826,1831,1834 and 1846) for the officers, it was mentioned either regimental pattern or some kind of embroidery. But no detail description had given. Does anyone have any information regarding epaulette strap design of British army in 1822-1855 please? I am looking for books or any weblinks that contains the pictorial view of the epaulettes of British regimental officers.
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Post  wfrad on Sun 01 Dec 2013, 12:21 am

Shams,
I know what you mean and it can be quite frustrating.
During and after the Napoleonic period the infantry were of regimental design, you could have scales, plain or ribbed epaulettes.
Flank companies likewise varied.
As you know it could take a while, if ever, before every regiment conformed completely to new sealed patterns.
Most illustrations don’t show or explain the epaulettes in any great detail, for example they may mention the devices but fail to mention the lace pattern.

From the thin red line regarding the 79th Foot 1810-15, Just before the period you are asking about but I believe it's relevant.
‘All Field and Battalion Company Officers wore pairs of gold epaulettes, the former with bullions.
Flank Company Officers wore gold-laced scarlet wings with silver grenade or bugle-horn badges.
From February 1810 the Colonel wore on the epaulette straps a silver Crown and Star, the Lieutenant Colonel a Crown and the Majors a Star. Company Officers had no rank badges.  It is likely that the Stars wee in the design of that of the Order of the Thistle.’  
Yet the epaulettes are shown in other illustrations edged with what appears to be lace of thistle design.

You could try some of the auction sites, not necessarily e-bay, many of the auction houses post detailed photographs of up and coming lots on-line.
I have a couple of pre 1860s illustrations that I will dig out and email.
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Post  sbintayab on Sun 01 Dec 2013, 2:42 pm

Thank Wilf. pre 1860 illustration will work. You know I took a plan to produce the rank badges of British army officers. When I read the dress regulations, it made me confused. I thought each regiment had its own individual epaulette design. Even I read the book: "Distinction of rank of regimental officers 1660-1855". In this book, they discussed about a tailor pattern book called "Herbert's pattern" which is a mine of regimental epaulettes (as per the author of the book). Even I have not got any trace of the book in internet and state library of Victoria, Melbourne, Australia. As per the author's information- the book is in the library of Royal United Service Institution, UK.
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Post  wfrad on Sun 01 Dec 2013, 11:31 pm

Shams
I have a copy of De Ridder / Gustave / 1861-1945 / 4010 . Military uniforms from Gallica.
Billed as a tailors catalogue of 85 pages,  the appearance of which is more like a scrap book, with bits of uniforms dating from roughly 1830-60.
Much of the text and many of the illustrations are quite faded but there are some gems like the paper patterns for the lace.
Don’t get me wrong, it does has some very good information but it has the look of a book that’s been left unloved and forgotten only to be rescued from the skip just in time.
Regarding the book you mention, I sometimes wonder at the mentality of institutions that claim to ‘further knowledge’ while holding onto valuable reference works just for ‘academic’ research.
As for the British Library, it’s online reference site is a complete joke.
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Post  sbintayab on Mon 02 Dec 2013, 1:13 am

Thanks Wilf. I quite agree with you. UK and her colonial army uniforms and rank badges are my interest- you can call it hobby. Even I have contacted with Royal United Service Institute about the book. They emailed me regarding my academic research etc.
By the way, I think the book you have mentioned, it gonna work. If you don't mind, can you please send me images?
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Post  sbintayab on Mon 02 Dec 2013, 1:42 am

Dear Wilf,
I think you have a weblink of the book that you've mentioned in previous. Can you please share with me?
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Post  wfrad on Mon 02 Dec 2013, 6:23 am

Shams,
Sorry I don't have the link, long forgotten.
The pdf file is just short of 6MB which should fall within most email attachment limits.
It should arrive OK, if not I have a plan B.
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Post  sbintayab on Mon 02 Dec 2013, 11:00 am

Dear Wilf,
Thanks. I salute you for your continuos help. Very Happy 
You are always helpful. When I need any information you always extend your helping hand.
Thanks again
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